Cool! The bookstore in my hometown is only open from like 10pm-3am and just tonight I was there with a friend and I found Naked Lunch so like if only, hopefully, hopefully I'll be able to find this stuff. I will definitely asl tem to let me know
Ouch, Stephanie Meyer. I admit to having read all four Twilight books in high school. Now I cannot understand what I ever saw in them. Though I did hear a good theory once: Bella is so bland, so blank, that the reader can put themselves in her place more easily than with more interesting characters. This makes her very appealing to girls who want to experience that kind of "romance." (And let's not even get into how creepy said romance actually is.)
I have very deliberately not read 50 Shades of Grey.
With some of the authors I mentioned, I've only read short stories. Some of them are probably available online.
*Jumps out from no where* Not only is SMeyer a horrible writer, but her "books" have bad messages. I'm reading this anti-Twilight thing (I won't post the link but if anyone wants it, just PM me) and the person(s) who's posting the reviews point out things other anti-Twilight reviews don't. It's really fun to read.
Anyways, I tried this test before, but I can't remember who I got.
I'd like that link, Angelica... I'm curious as to whether it says anything I haven't heard or not. I've had many discussions on the horrific messages that Twilight sends to people - both male and female.
Gertrude Stein was a poet and novelist. (Her wikipedia page is fascinating, you should check it out.) I don't think she has any spectacularly famous works like Fight Club or The Da Vinci Code, but she's quite well known in more "literary" circles.
As for William Gibson, I've heard the name, but I can't remember where.
Yeah, I heard that Bella from Twilight was INTENTIONALLY bland and nothing, so that anybody reading it could put herself into Bella and identify better. I mean if you give a character a particular attribute, anybody without that attribute won't be able to identify with her as well, and so they might not buy the rest of the books in the series. I personally read them in middle/high school. Even at that young age I realized there was something definitely off about their relationship.
The other night I was talking to a girl who may have been a fantasy/sci-fi editor, or something. She was really drunk and kind of a compulsive liar so who knows. Anyway I mentioned your novel, Saph, just in case, and she asked if it was to be marketed to "12-15 year olds, 17-20 year olds, or like, young moms" and I remember feeling really sad that this was the state of writing right now. If it's fantasy, it's a romance marketed towards young women. Like by definition, apparently. Twilight has ruined us. Fuck, I hate pulp. Anyway I've been trying to google the company she said she was with and there's nothing, so likely this was a lie, like her being married and also having a boyfriend, and having a personal helicopter. I mean you understand the kind of person she was. But yeah the fact she thought the most likely believable thing was that fantasy was romance for young women messed with me.
Yes, that's what I heard as well, Zoom - though I don't remember where. It's really a terrible strategy for writing, though. Flat characters make for the most boring reading - the only thing that makes them human and allows the reader to connect with them is specific details. And honestly, you can connect with a character who has nothing in common with you. I do it all the time. It's almost more satisfying that way.
Guh. I used to enjoy the young adult section in bookstores. Now I avoid it like the plague, and not just because I no longer qualify for the age range. Heh, I get the sense she didn't know much about actual publishing, though. "Young adult" just means that the main character is a teenager. That's it. The only qualification. They don't really market books to age ranges that small. Cuts off a bunch of your potential readership.
But yeah, that's really irritating. The state of genre work today, the idea that "fantasy" translates to "paranormal romance." Like it's impossible to write fantasy that isn't sexual. It's books like Twilight that encourage the people who look down on sci-fi/fantasy.
Anyways, yes the horrible messages in Twilight, like all blondes are shallow bitches (even thought brown-haired Bella is that way), that all males should be strong, handsome and rich, that all females want marraige, that all males want sex, that you should get married at eighteen (or any age, really) just for sex (and money, can't forget the money) instead of love. Oh, and that humans are weak and shallow and no good, and vampires are the best, that you should only date someone if they're rich and beautiful, and live ends after high school.
And then there's the whole rape is love thing going on....and mix messages....
I think I got a little bit carried away. But yes, that's only a few of the bad messages in Twilight.
Not to mention the whole stalking thing. I mean, breaking into her room at night to watch her sleep? How creepy is that? It romanticizes truly dangerous behavior. Also, it really annoys me that Bella was so irritated by people at her new school wanting to be friends with her. From the very first pages, she has an immense superiority complex.
Also, I had completely forgotten about the fifth - unfinished - book in the series until I looked at the link, but it brings up an interesting question.
Stephanie Meyer quit writing the book because an unfinished draft was leaked online. She stopped writing the book and - to my knowledge - has not continued. (I think it was the first book from Edward's point of view, though I'm not sure.) On the one hand, I get that that must have been immensely frustrating and an invasion of privacy. On the other hand, it's quite petty to post a notice online that she won't be finishing the book because one person broke her trust. Thoughts?
Yep. I mean if you read it from this perspective, you realize Bella is a mold that everybody who wants to be special and beautiful and adored for no real reason can fit themselves into. Which is basically everybody, I admit. But also, like, her going catatonic when Edward leaves? The whole series is basically Bella being defined by Edward. I can't remember, did she ever had a personal victory that didn't have anything to do with one of the males in her life?
I saw something once comparing the leading males from Twilight, 50 shades of grey, etc, with males who did the EXACT SAME THINGS except were unattractive. The most beautiful man in the world who also happens to be an immortal vampire watches you while you sleep? Well, that's romantic. A plain ole regular dude watching you while you sleep is creepy.
I remember hearing about Twilight from Edward's perspective. While I can understand, to some extend, the feeling of betrayal and kind of like "well, fuck it" that she might have felt when somebody leaked it, I also definitely agree it's kind of petty and almost spiteful to just decline to release it altogether. Especially considering it was mostly finished by that point. No sense punishing the entire fan base for the acts of one person. Yeah, I wouldn't do it myself.
Post by A Mask Among Many on Feb 27, 2014 12:03:51 GMT -6
Honestly, I read the first few chapters of the first book and couldn't read any more because of Bella's feeling of superiority.
I agree with Zoom in that the feeling of betrayal would be definitely something like that, so I do sympathize. And I also agree with you guys in that she should have at least had the feeling for the series to be able to finish it.
Anyway, I can't bash, and I can't really defend either soo... Whatevs.
-Those who have masks should take them off. Those without should never make them. For those who put them on rarely take them off.
The leaking of Midnight Sun (Twilight from Edward's perspective) could have been done by SMeyer for all we know. She wasn't getting the attention she wanted, so this. Also, she can't write fight scenes to save her life, so she wouldn't be able to write the fight between Jasper, Emmett and James I mean Edward and James ( ) well. So, she leaked Midnight Sun, throw a fit and said she wouldn't finish the book becuase in her frame of mind "James would probably win." (One, what and two how this that a bad thing??) Whatever. I don't sympathize at all with her. She put herself there.
sapphire: Zoom! Welcome back. Sounds like things are going well! What's your job?
Jan 7, 2017 16:43:00 GMT -6
Zoom: (Sorry I haven't been around btw, got a serious boyfriend and a full-time job, almost literally no time)
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Zoom: Am here! So great to hear the news Saph!!
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